merrick
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"Le beurre, l'argent du beurre, et le cul de la cr?miere."
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Post by merrick on Jan 3, 2011 23:48:06 GMT 1
Maybe that's the fantastic thing with Mogwai, to be surprised on each new albums: i'm always stunned to see how they rethink their music, the manner they have to forget acquired sounds and create new playgrounds.. for 15years, with a disconcerting boldness. Hardcore is the perfect example. By the way, Mexican GP is totally post-punk, like a groovy Suicide track. I love it. Mogwai, faster with years?
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Post by rob strong on Jan 3, 2011 23:49:26 GMT 1
I admit I have listened to the leaked songs. There are some good songs, although nothing on the album 'blows me away' (although Lionel Richie has potential). The rest of the album sounds so-so. I am a little worried about Mogwai. IMO The Hawk is Howling, while it had around 4-5 really really good songs, was the worst overall Mogwai album (still very good, don't get me wrong!). And I don't think Hardcore is anywhere near as good, at least after a couple of listens. Maybe I was just too spoiled from the earlier albums. And Mexican Grand Prix? Eh...I think I am already trying to forget that they created that song. Give it time, give it time IMO Mexican Grand Prix is a strong contender for the best track on the album.
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jonny
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Post by jonny on Jan 4, 2011 2:01:24 GMT 1
Lots of really good feedback on Last.fm already, I think the album will become one of the band's most popular amongst fans.
Also, can anyone confirm that the limited edition Japanese version will include a guitar pick? I'm going to be in Asia at the start of February, so I've opted to purchase that version.
Cheers.
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Post by slacker345 on Jan 4, 2011 2:24:26 GMT 1
Whatever people make of Mexican GP - and personally, I think it sounds like an exhausted band unsure of how to progress, aping styles and other bands as an easy, and calamitous, way out - but is anyone really willing to defend George Square Thatcher Death Party? It's embarrassingly lazy, a cheap novelty track, with cheaper sounding synth and vocals. Having said all that, I think Death Rays is one of the very best songs the band has recorded, and for all that Werewolf.. is a slightly pale rehash of Long Way From Home, it has its moments. I do wish the best live band in the world would reassess what makes their live shows so extraordinary, and what makes their recent albums so underwhelming.
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jmart
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Post by jmart on Jan 4, 2011 4:49:41 GMT 1
san pedro is surely the weakest of the album for me and death party left a first good impression but doubt it'll last a long time in my playlist... yes! i'm a long way from being a werewolf and letters to the metro are pretty good too. mexican gp is AMAZING, its right up there with rano pano. i'd rather have these tracks than the stale "post-rock" cliché sound (aka mogwai cloning) that most people are saying its lacking on recent mogwai.
the whole album left terrific impression on me, that neither mr. beast or the hawk managed to pull off in the beginning.
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pk
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Post by pk on Jan 4, 2011 5:09:39 GMT 1
slacker,
I agree about George Square. That song is pretty bad. But back to Mexican Grand Prix.....to me....that song just sounds like some bad 90s Euro Techno or something. And I have loved every Mogwai song with vocals up until this point. Just because it is Mogwai doesn't mean I have to love it, right?
White Noise, Death Rays, Lionel Richie are the best songs. They are solid songs, but like I said, this album lacks the 1,2, or more songs that literally blow you away with awe. Just go through each album and write down the 2 best songs from that album. Are you going to put any of the songs on this new album ahead of any of the songs you have written down? I know I sure wouldn't. I don't think a single song on this album would come close to cracking my Top 30 favorite Mogwai songs of all-time. Probably not even my Top 50. I must just be to stubborn in my love and nostalgia for the past!
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Post by scumfactor on Jan 4, 2011 5:32:24 GMT 1
so it looks like the Japanese version will have 2 bonus tracks
Slight Domestic Hasenheide
will Slight Domestic be released as future b-side?
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merrick
tommy ramone
"Le beurre, l'argent du beurre, et le cul de la cr?miere."
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Post by merrick on Jan 4, 2011 8:52:44 GMT 1
But back to Mexican Grand Prix.....to me....that song just sounds like some bad 90s Euro Techno or something. Really? Worst joke ever ;D
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Post by jontosh on Jan 4, 2011 10:42:13 GMT 1
The only redeeming feature of George Square Thatcher Death Party is the name. Like the rest of the album though
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Post by bobbob on Jan 4, 2011 16:03:14 GMT 1
GSTDP is so-so, but every album has had filler and IMO the filler on this one is more listenable than most. Overall I think the album is very very good - I can listen from start to finish. I'm warming up to Mexican GP, White Noise/Rano Pano/Too Raging Too Cheers are all killer, and I'm sure I'll love Death Rays and Letters with a couple more listens.
Lionel Ritchie is one of those songs like Were No Here - built to play live :-)
I still don't really see the connection between Werewolf and Yes! - okay there is a bit of a similar guitar riff for about 10 seconds, but one song is a fairly unremarkable tune and the other may be the greatest song Mogwai ever wrote!
Speaking of George Square, it sounds like someone other than Barry on the vocoder to me?
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Post by scumfactor on Jan 4, 2011 17:31:51 GMT 1
I don't see what the problem is with Mexican Grand Prix is. The band are wearing their Neu!/krautrock influences on their sleeves. It's no different from when they were wearing their Slint influences on their sleeves. Xmas Steps, anyone?
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Post by cr155cr055hardwar on Jan 4, 2011 19:13:53 GMT 1
why is the album available for download? who could have released the album before the specified date 14.feb.? could it be sth. like a ,,raw-version" - a not total mastered version of the mastered one???
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Post by rob strong on Jan 4, 2011 20:49:03 GMT 1
why is the album available for download? who could have released the album before the specified date 14.feb.? could it be sth. like a ,,raw-version" - a not total mastered version of the mastered one??? I'd be very surprised if it's not the finished version. The finished version was made available to a number of folks by the band around 20th October. Presumably the leak has come from some journos copy, as usual.
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Post by widerider on Jan 4, 2011 23:59:58 GMT 1
I've not heard anything yet but...
Quick question for those who have heard leeks:
Are they shitty quality youtube efforts? That will no doubt hinder your enjoyment eh?
Secondly, how long have you had these leeks for?
I know the first time I listen to new Mogwai tunes there's no way I could confidently gauge it against their other material They normally take a while to seep in. If I did say that after just a few listens I'd probably be worried about the immediacy and lastibility of the record.
People seem to be really making strong opinions early doors. Not a single song in the top 50 of all their songs? Like I say I've not heard anything but it seems strange to judge an album so quickly from a band that we all know takes time to fully get to grips with each song.
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Post by rob strong on Jan 5, 2011 0:15:25 GMT 1
I've not heard anything yet but... Quick question for those who have heard leeks: Are they shitty quality youtube efforts? That will no doubt hinder your enjoyment eh? Secondly, how long have you had these leeks for? I know the first time I listen to new Mogwai tunes there's no way I could confidently gauge it against their other material They normally take a while to seep in. If I did say that after just a few listens I'd probably be worried about the immediacy and lastibility of the record. People seem to be really making strong opinions early doors. Not a single song in the top 50 of all their songs? Like I say I've not heard anything but it seems strange to judge an album so quickly from a band that we all know takes time to fully get to grips with each song. The album leaked on 31st December. I haven't heard the leak but I have heard the album. I'd fully agree with your comments on allowing the album to seep in before passing comment. I think it'd be a good idea for a few folks to see/hear the songs played live before passing too much more comment. With the exception of Werewolf' and Rano Pano, no-one here has heard these songs at full volume yet.
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Post by tnaugler on Jan 5, 2011 3:15:26 GMT 1
So, i thought i could hold off until Feb. but after reading all these comments - I am going to give the leaked version a listen. Not going to lie, I'm looking forward to it... but will be passing no real judgment until i hear the songs live. I am much more a sucker for live music anyway, so its all well and good. Either way i will give the leaked album a test drive tomorrow morning at a decent volume and see what kind of a first impression i get.
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Post by arepeatingloop on Jan 5, 2011 3:25:42 GMT 1
WOW! lots of hate for this album. Personally, Mexican Grand Prix and GSTDP are highlights. To me they are logical steps after "The Sun Smells Too Loud." Gut reaction is that I enjoy this album more than the last two... and those are great records. The bass playing on this record is exceptional.
Kinda bummed it leaked but enjoying the hell out of it. Well done, boys.
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Post by bobbob on Jan 5, 2011 4:14:36 GMT 1
I dunno, people overall seem to be really happy with it I think. Even the hipsters at atpr seem to like it! Everybody just needs to find something to bitch about Can't wait to hear the tracks live, but I wonder which ones will suffer the fate of Sun Smells Too Loud (and Danphe and the Brain) - too difficult to play correctly because of the sequencing
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Post by allwaystired on Jan 5, 2011 10:18:32 GMT 1
From what I'm reading on other forums people seem to be pretty unhappy with the album. (Check out this moron's comment:
"I probably won't buy it, I'll get a copy off the fella who comes round the houses selling coal and dodgy copies of mamma mia. I'll probably pay a shiteload in train fare to go and see them again. post-rock oasis. worse than that, at least it's acceptable to have a few pints and jump around to 'live forever'. try that to a mogwai banger and you get shushed by some chin-stroking beardy dyslexic c**t."
Wanker.
I haven't heard the record yet (and I won't until release date) but I do get a little sick of the current trend to slag off any band with a body of work behind them. The old "I preferred their early stuff" boring comments seem to apply to anyone who has dared to have any length of longevity in music these days. It pisses me off massively. People seem to give new material a cursory listen (sometimes not even that!) then say "nah, they've gone shit" in the hope it makes them seem oh-so f**king cutting edge. It doesn't. It makes them seem like a tedious prick stuck in the past. I don't think the 'Don't Look Back' culture of playing 'classic' old albums in their entirety has helped this either. All it serves is to create a musical environment where people are constantly looking backwards. f**k that. As I said, I haven't heard the record, but have heard Rano Pano, which I think is excellent and a massive step forward. Mogwai are one of the few bands I rely on to push things, to move forward and to do so with credibility without falling into the pretentious and smug ruts that so many bands occupy.
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ducon
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Post by ducon on Jan 5, 2011 10:21:52 GMT 1
hello the album is playing all day since yesterday first impressiion is yhis new album is quite good highlights for me is death rays, too raging, letters to the metro but quite difficult to find a killer track i think it's quite diffilcult to renew the genre of their music and in a way , mexican gp,try to do that anyway best thing is to see them live in france
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Post by squeeryj on Jan 5, 2011 10:38:32 GMT 1
From what I'm reading on other forums people seem to be pretty unhappy with the album. (Check out this moron's comment: "I probably won't buy it, I'll get a copy off the fella who comes round the houses selling coal and dodgy copies of mamma mia. I'll probably pay a shiteload in train fare to go and see them again. post-rock oasis. worse than that, at least it's acceptable to have a few pints and jump around to 'live forever'. try that to a mogwai banger and you get shushed by some chin-stroking beardy dyslexic c**t." Wanker. I haven't heard the record yet (and I won't until release date) but I do get a little sick of the current trend to slag off any band with a body of work behind them. The old "I preferred their early stuff" boring comments seem to apply to anyone who has dared to have any length of longevity in music these days. It pisses me off massively. People seem to give new material a cursory listen (sometimes not even that!) then say "nah, they've gone shit" in the hope it makes them seem oh-so f**king cutting edge. It doesn't. It makes them seem like a tedious prick stuck in the past. I don't think the 'Don't Look Back' culture of playing 'classic' old albums in their entirety has helped this either. All it serves is to create a musical environment where people are constantly looking backwards. f**k that. As I said, I haven't heard the record, but have heard Rano Pano, which I think is excellent and a massive step forward. Mogwai are one of the few bands I rely on to push things, to move forward and to do so with credibility without falling into the pretentious and smug ruts that so many bands occupy. I read that comment above (from DiS) as a sarcastic attack on all the people slagging it off. In fact it reads a lot like the musings of a B Burns, and i note the poster has only ever posted that one time. Hmmmmm.
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merrick
tommy ramone
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Post by merrick on Jan 5, 2011 11:41:28 GMT 1
I don't see what the problem is with Mexican Grand Prix is. The band are wearing their Neu!/krautrock influences on their sleeves. It's no different from when they were wearing their Slint influences on their sleeves. Xmas Steps, anyone? Totally agreed.
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Post by jontosh on Jan 5, 2011 12:07:33 GMT 1
I don't see what the problem is with Mexican Grand Prix is. The band are wearing their Neu!/krautrock influences on their sleeves. It's no different from when they were wearing their Slint influences on their sleeves. Xmas Steps, anyone? Totally agreed. I think Mexican Grand Prix sounds more like Yo La Tengo than Neu!/Krautrock
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Post by allwaystired on Jan 5, 2011 17:51:51 GMT 1
I guess that comment must be sarcastic actually! Although on the DIS forum it is sometimes pretty hard to tell- not the most open minded bunch that post on there!
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Post by jontosh on Jan 5, 2011 18:16:00 GMT 1
I guess that comment must be sarcastic actually! Although on the DIS forum it is sometimes pretty hard to tell- not the most open minded bunch that post on there! lol true. although I do genuinely think it sounds like Yo La Tengo
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seb
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Post by seb on Jan 5, 2011 20:21:44 GMT 1
I tried not to listen to the whole album but as it's all over the place and was too excited not to, here we go...
'I love you I'm going to blow up George Square' is my favourite track on the album by far! There's something really catchy and powerful in it! brilliant! All the 'non mogwai tracks' are my favourite actually. Mexican grand prix, Rano pano, George Square are brilliant tracks from a band that is evolving. Shorter songs, something else than the usual build up delay disto. I really admire the artistic engagement and the new turn they took on this album. I really can't get into Too raging and Lionel Ritchie ( I never could for Lionel actually huhu). Too raging starts great and then it feels like they don't know how to end the song...Boring to me. Lionel could be a killer live though, as mentioned before...
So still some solid Mogwai (amazing death rays) with more lights and hopes and more disco post funky punk atomic guitars. I bet you there will be a lot of people actually dancing on the live tracks... Another nice change.
Almost forgot the most positive change... A good artwork, FINALLY!
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Post by rob strong on Jan 5, 2011 21:02:53 GMT 1
I tried not to listen to the whole album but as it's all over the place and was too excited not to, here we go... 'I love you I'm going to blow up George Square' is my favourite track on the album by far! There's something really catchy and powerful in it! brilliant! All the 'non mogwai tracks' are my favourite actually. Mexican grand prix, Rano pano, George Square are brilliant tracks from a band that is evolving. Shorter songs, something else than the usual build up delay disto. I really admire the artistic engagement and the new turn they took on this album. I really can't get into Too raging and Lionel Ritchie ( I never could for Lionel actually huhu). Too raging starts great and then it feels like they don't know how to end the song...Boring to me. Lionel could be a killer live though, as mentioned before... So still some solid Mogwai (amazing death rays) with more lights and hopes and more disco post funky punk atomic guitars. I bet you there will be a lot of people actually dancing on the live tracks... Another nice change. Almost forgot the most positive change... A good artwork, FINALLY! Well said that man. Pretty much spot on - there are numerous great tracks on this record and I'm really looking forward to hearing them played live. The second half of 'Too Raging' is the closest the album comes to Mogwai on auto_pilot.
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mark
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Post by mark on Jan 5, 2011 22:46:29 GMT 1
My Last.fm - ( www.last.fm/user/mjm2705) - tells me that I've now listened to the new album about 13 times as I write this ... all the way through every time I think (barre a few short car journeys) ... First I have to say I prefer the 'epic' Mogwai tracks with "... Jesus", "Ratts ... ", "... Jim Morrison ... ", "... School" etc the type of stuff I think they excel at, but ... I think the new stuff is superb in its own, re-inventive, Mogwai-lite type way. Its the album that's going to allow me to introduce people to the band I've loved for years but have always proved difficult to convince others of. There's no 'epic' Mogwai tracks here (possibly "Lionel Ritchie") but every single one feels like it could be with a bit more layering, length and volume ... but I'm pretty sure that's the point though, its not just another Mogwai album, its the new Mogwai album. I love it and I'm looking forward to the Aberdeen Music Hall on the 29th, especially since its a Saturday, I'll be out all day and I'm dragging at least 3 or 4 Mogwai live virgins with me ... go on, open with "San Pedro" and blow them away in the first 5 minutes ;D
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Post by jontosh on Jan 5, 2011 23:37:06 GMT 1
Thinking about it live, I'm hoping that some of the tracks do allow some more layers and noise on top. Not very Mogwai I know, and I'm not suggesting that they wig out... but tracks like Rano Pano, Lionel Richie and San Pedro could really take off with some brutal extensions to their endings, a little bit like Ratts and 2 rights.
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pk
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Post by pk on Jan 6, 2011 7:00:36 GMT 1
I tried not to listen to the whole album but as it's all over the place and was too excited not to, here we go... 'I love you I'm going to blow up George Square' is my favourite track on the album by far! There's something really catchy and powerful in it! brilliant! All the 'non mogwai tracks' are my favourite actually. Mexican grand prix, Rano pano, George Square are brilliant tracks from a band that is evolving. Shorter songs, something else than the usual build up delay disto. I really admire the artistic engagement and the new turn they took on this album. I really can't get into Too raging and Lionel Ritchie ( I never could for Lionel actually huhu). Too raging starts great and then it feels like they don't know how to end the song...Boring to me. Lionel could be a killer live though, as mentioned before... So still some solid Mogwai (amazing death rays) with more lights and hopes and more disco post funky punk atomic guitars. I bet you there will be a lot of people actually dancing on the live tracks... Another nice change. Almost forgot the most positive change... A good artwork, FINALLY! I actually love the Happy Songs artwork; it is funny, simple. It fits the album absolutely perfectly, IMO!. Everytime I think about the name of that album, the artwork, and the actual music, I just smile. No joke.
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