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Post by brash on Nov 16, 2013 12:00:33 GMT 1
it also says there is a cassette of the album...just ordered my boxset
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Post by markus on Nov 16, 2013 13:31:00 GMT 1
I don't want to nit-pick, but does it really make sense that the box set includes the new album in 4 different formats (digital download, CD, LP and cassette)? I'd certainly be interested in the bonus 12" LP but, considering the price tag of the box set, the Ltd Edition LP + 7" appears to be the better deal, if you're not too keen on the hardback photograph book?
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Post by scumfactor on Nov 18, 2013 4:35:36 GMT 1
Any updates on when Sub Pop will be offering the box set for sale in the US?
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Post by mrsrf on Nov 18, 2013 11:50:56 GMT 1
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Post by rob strong on Nov 18, 2013 20:52:39 GMT 1
Interesting interview - thanks for the link.
Regarding the various Rave Tapes bonus tracks - so we know the titles of all the tracks included in the boxset. We don't know the titles of the tracks on the Sub Pop bonus 7", or the UK indies bonus 7" And we don't know the titles of the (two?) bonus tracks on the Japanese CD
I'm beginning to wonder whether I should have rushed into ordering the boxset - how many other formsts am I going to end up buying?
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Post by plasmatron on Nov 18, 2013 23:02:59 GMT 1
Interesting interview - thanks for the link. Regarding the various Rave Tapes bonus tracks - so we know the titles of all the tracks included in the boxset. We don't know the titles of the tracks on the Sub Pop bonus 7", or the UK indies bonus 7" And we don't know the titles of the (two?) bonus tracks on the Japanese CD I'm beginning to wonder whether I should have rushed into ordering the boxset - how many other formsts am I going to end up buying? Hi rob, the indie 7 and the sub pop 7 are the same as the box set 7 (though not etched). The Japanese tracks aren't confirmed though we haven't recorded anything specific for them so i imagine they'll be from the box set tracks. cheers Stuart
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Post by rob strong on Nov 18, 2013 23:26:16 GMT 1
Interesting interview - thanks for the link. Regarding the various Rave Tapes bonus tracks - so we know the titles of all the tracks included in the boxset. We don't know the titles of the tracks on the Sub Pop bonus 7", or the UK indies bonus 7" And we don't know the titles of the (two?) bonus tracks on the Japanese CD I'm beginning to wonder whether I should have rushed into ordering the boxset - how many other formsts am I going to end up buying? Hi rob, the indie 7 and the sub pop 7 are the same as the box set 7 (though not etched). The Japanese tracks aren't confirmed though we haven't recorded anything specific for them so i imagine they'll be from the box set tracks. cheers Stuart Thanks Stuart. The 7" in the boxset has only one track, but the Sub Pop pre-order specifically says their 7" includes two tracks. So is the other track from the boxset 12"?
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Post by plasmatron on Nov 19, 2013 2:23:10 GMT 1
Hi rob, the indie 7 and the sub pop 7 are the same as the box set 7 (though not etched). The Japanese tracks aren't confirmed though we haven't recorded anything specific for them so i imagine they'll be from the box set tracks. cheers Stuart Thanks Stuart. The 7" in the boxset has only one track, but the Sub Pop pre-order specifically says their 7" includes two tracks. So is the other track from the boxset 12"? That may just be an error on their part. I'll check. S
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Post by plasmatron on Nov 19, 2013 11:26:59 GMT 1
Thanks Stuart. The 7" in the boxset has only one track, but the Sub Pop pre-order specifically says their 7" includes two tracks. So is the other track from the boxset 12"? That may just be an error on their part. I'll check. S Sup Pop 7 is exactly the same song as ours. S
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Post by brash on Nov 19, 2013 11:45:12 GMT 1
Hey Stuart, any plans for physical singles for this album? i.e any bsides aside from the boxset tracks? cheers
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Post by tnaugler on Nov 19, 2013 18:00:58 GMT 1
I'm still waiting to hear about the box set via Sub Pop. I see they have added a "bundle" which includes the LP/CD and the t-shirt... but nothing about the photo book and the prints. I'd rather the book/prints than the t-shirt.
I'm a little bummed.
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Post by scumfactor on Nov 19, 2013 18:59:46 GMT 1
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Post by tnaugler on Nov 19, 2013 19:55:18 GMT 1
Gasp! How did I miss that? Thanks!!
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Post by plasmatron on Nov 19, 2013 20:46:18 GMT 1
Hey Stuart, any plans for physical singles for this album? i.e any bsides aside from the boxset tracks? cheers We have some more songs which we'll be releasing as an ep at some point. There aren't any plans for singles from the album at the moment though that could change if we get any great remixes. S
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Post by tnaugler on Nov 19, 2013 20:54:43 GMT 1
Just got the email from SubPop. Guess I checked just before they put it up. Fabulous! Xmas AND birthday gift... here I come! Haha
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Post by brash on Nov 19, 2013 21:42:05 GMT 1
Thanks Stuart- looking forward to the album & ep
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Post by allwaystired on Nov 20, 2013 0:46:46 GMT 1
I'm really confused by all this!
Where does a cassette version come into play? Not seen that mentioned anywhere. Is there any exclusive stuff on that version?
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Post by Ryan on Nov 20, 2013 6:04:10 GMT 1
I'm confused by the resurgence of cassettes in general. But I am going crazy old school on this one... I'm going to buy the record after the release date, in an actual store, from an actual person. The box set looks cool and all, but I'd rather spend the money on going to see them an extra time or two when they're touring. Now I just have to figure out how I can buy the time to be able to do that, since I'll have a baby by the time they're touring.
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Post by slacker345 on Nov 23, 2013 7:44:00 GMT 1
Has anyone else heard the album yet? I got a promo stream to review, and I wouldn't want to say too much given that we're still a while from release, but what a disappointment! 'Remurdered' is the standout, by a country mile. The first thing that strikes you is how uniform the songs are - each song kind of plods along at a medium tempo, and there's no striking variation in dynamics. I understand that Mogwai have been trying to get away, since Come on Die Young, from the notion that they're a quiet/loud band, but to perversely play against their strength seems counter-intuitive; there's nothing of the power and force that they're still more than capable of communicating live; if anything, this album would be best described as 'tasteful'. The other problem is their perverse desire to fill every possible space in every song with sound, at every moment - Mogwai used to be a band that could deploy *silence* to devastating effect, not just in the crescendo songs but in those beguiling, quiet, melancholy songs like 'Helps Both Ways' (although 'Nick Drake' is my favourite example). Now, every aspect of the soundfield has to have some crackling synth texture, those synth pads becoming more and more predictable as album follows album, and they're plastered over every song here. Weirdly, the mastering of 'Rave Tapes' seems boosted for radio; every indifferent melody (and that great synth loop in the second half of 'remurdered' is by a great distance the most memorable thing here) is rendered equal to every synth stab, each therefore losing their power. A couple of final gripes: 'Repelish', on its own, would be one of Mogwai's least interesting songs, a couple of synth notes looped with a bit of guitar, but they decided to slap on top of it a nasal, anonymous American voice discussing various conspiracy theories about backwards masking in Led Zeppelin songs and the idea that Led Zep were promoting satanism. It's the most predictable thing imaginable, it's not at all funny, it feels pointless, and it's worth comparing to the subtle use of found-sound in 'Helps Both Ways'. The best track on 'Rave Tapes', by the way, is 'Blues Hour' - Stuart gives his best vocal performance to date, except that it's a spitting image of CODY - harmonically, structurally, the whole bit. I'm as fanatic about this band as all of you, but don't be surprised if this album is very badly received indeed.
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Post by rob strong on Nov 23, 2013 10:02:35 GMT 1
Thanks for your comments. I'll wait until I've heard the album before commenting on it further, but you've contradicted yourself in identifying Remurdered as the standout and then stating that Blues Hour is the best track?
Surely no-one is expecting Mogwai to release a full-on rock album at this stage?
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Post by plasmatron on Nov 23, 2013 13:05:14 GMT 1
Has anyone else heard the album yet? I got a promo stream to review, and I wouldn't want to say too much given that we're still a while from release, but what a disappointment! 'Remurdered' is the standout, by a country mile. The first thing that strikes you is how uniform the songs are - each song kind of plods along at a medium tempo, and there's no striking variation in dynamics. I understand that Mogwai have been trying to get away, since Come on Die Young, from the notion that they're a quiet/loud band, but to perversely play against their strength seems counter-intuitive; there's nothing of the power and force that they're still more than capable of communicating live; if anything, this album would be best described as 'tasteful'. The other problem is their perverse desire to fill every possible space in every song with sound, at every moment - Mogwai used to be a band that could deploy *silence* to devastating effect, not just in the crescendo songs but in those beguiling, quiet, melancholy songs like 'Helps Both Ways' (although 'Nick Drake' is my favourite example). Now, every aspect of the soundfield has to have some crackling synth texture, those synth pads becoming more and more predictable as album follows album, and they're plastered over every song here. Weirdly, the mastering of 'Rave Tapes' seems boosted for radio; every indifferent melody (and that great synth loop in the second half of 'remurdered' is by a great distance the most memorable thing here) is rendered equal to every synth stab, each therefore losing their power. A couple of final gripes: 'Repelish', on its own, would be one of Mogwai's least interesting songs, a couple of synth notes looped with a bit of guitar, but they decided to slap on top of it a nasal, anonymous American voice discussing various conspiracy theories about backwards masking in Led Zeppelin songs and the idea that Led Zep were promoting satanism. It's the most predictable thing imaginable, it's not at all funny, it feels pointless, and it's worth comparing to the subtle use of found-sound in 'Helps Both Ways'. The best track on 'Rave Tapes', by the way, is 'Blues Hour' - Stuart gives his best vocal performance to date, except that it's a spitting image of CODY - harmonically, structurally, the whole bit. I'm as fanatic about this band as all of you, but don't be surprised if this album is very badly received indeed. It can't be that bad if two songs on it are the best ones. S
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Post by Chrille on Nov 23, 2013 18:33:48 GMT 1
Thanks for your comments. I'll wait until I've heard the album before commenting on it further, but you've contradicted yourself in identifying Remurdered as the standout and then stating that Blues Hour is the best track? Surely no-one is expecting Mogwai to release a full-on rock album at this stage? I'm still waiting on any news on the "Appetite for destruction" cover album.
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Post by slacker345 on Nov 23, 2013 19:23:20 GMT 1
No, I certainly wouldn't expect a full on rock album at this point (although the Appetite for Destruction thing has got me daydreaming..), but that's not really the problem for me. Even on their quietest songs, Mogwai had a knack for allowing the space between the different instruments to take on a dynamic heft of its own. They were willing to be sparse in a way that they haven't for a while, with the exception of some of Les Revenents. These new songs don't breathe. But yes, the fact that I picked two favourite songs from the record suggests, I hope, that I'll grow to like it more.
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Post by rob strong on Nov 23, 2013 20:34:18 GMT 1
Let's hope so, otherwise someone might come along and accuse you of opportunistic nit-picking. And we wouldn't want that, would we? What's the deadline for your review? Hopefully you have time for some further listening before it's published.
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Post by slacker345 on Nov 23, 2013 21:26:23 GMT 1
Opportunistic for whose benefit? I bought Young Team the week it was released at age 14. I adore this band - I don't enjoy not liking their new record. I realize you're the moderator here Rob, and I suppose you need to appear supportive of all things Mogwai at all times, but don't let that force you to make silly ad hominem imputations at the merest criticism of the band. The review won't appear until after the album is released.
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Post by rob strong on Nov 23, 2013 22:41:21 GMT 1
Opportunistic for your own benefit, of course. You chose to come hear to share your negative impressions of the new album (based on how many plays we don't know because you didn't say). You're perfectly entitled to do that, otherwise the forum would be pointless. But don't expect to come here, make your comments and not be challenged.
"I suppose you need to appear supportive of all things Mogwai at all times"
I take it you don't read the Brightlight blog then.
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Post by slacker345 on Nov 24, 2013 3:10:19 GMT 1
And how exactly do I benefit, Rob? And on what basis are you 'challenging' my comments, given that you haven't heard the album in question?
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Post by rob strong on Nov 24, 2013 10:19:04 GMT 1
Benefit - you're drawing attention to your future review, in the hope that it'll attract more traffic, in the hope that you'll end up being asked to write more reviews. You may or may not be paid for this review, but a readership increase won't do any harm.
Is this review for Drowned In Sound, out of curiosity?
Challenge - "you've contradicted yourself in identifying Remurdered as the standout and then stating that Blues Hour is the best track?"
You're right, I haven't heard the album - I don't recall making any comment which indicated I had?
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Post by slacker345 on Nov 25, 2013 1:49:29 GMT 1
You're imagining nefarious motives where they don't exist, Rob. I was just hoping that someone else might have heard the album and might be able to convince me of merits that I'm struggling to see. I appreciate your willingness to permit less than positive assessments of the band here, but practically speaking, it's not something you encourage: the moment someone offers a negative assessment, you call them out ad hominem. Hardly an encouragement for others to offer equally non-celebratory reflections.
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Post by slacker345 on Nov 25, 2013 1:50:53 GMT 1
But I'll leave you to it - I'm looking forward to seeing more reactions here when the album's released.
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