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Post by James Smith on Apr 17, 2006 2:21:57 GMT 1
I'm new to the site. This is an incredible Mogwai resource for everything. I have looked over most of the previous threads and I haven't found anything devoted to Mogwai's gear (mainly pedals and effects). Does anyone know what pedals they use, particularly Stuart? I know he has the Danelectro Fab Tone and a couple of delay pedals but what else? Also, how does he get his incredible tremolo/delay sound (the settings) on songs like Helicon 1 or BMX?
Thanks
James
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Post by garyg on Apr 17, 2006 4:05:09 GMT 1
For delay stuff Stuart has been using the boss DD-20 on the most recent tours. Other than that I don't know what they've been using recently gear wise. guitargeek.com/rigview/327/ is what Stuart was using around the year 2000.
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Post by rob strong on Apr 17, 2006 9:37:43 GMT 1
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Post by only on Apr 19, 2006 9:56:40 GMT 1
That Boss DD-20 thing is the Rolls Royce of digital delays. But if you don't want to spend that much I fully recommend the Digitech X-series Digidelay. I know that the Boss DD series gets a good rep, but I compared several to the Digitech and chose it by a mile. One of my best friends bought a DD-3, which has pretty smooth decay but there's a few things about it that I don't particularly like.
The main one is that when you step off the pedal, the delay instantly stops repeating. Like when you get to the end of a song and the rest of the band goes quiet, it's cool to have the trailing delay just echo off to silence, or in the middle of songs when you go from a delay part to a simple clean part then the trailing alloys a smoother transition and more flexibility. Also on the Boss DD-3, when you set the feedack level to 100%, the effect layers upon itself, each time getting louder and more overdriven. It's a pretty cool effect in itself, however, the Digitech delay has a similar function where at 100% feedback level, the echo's just blur into this shimmer that decays incredibly slowly (would take over 5 minutes to completely disappear) which allows you to set the feedback on 100%, have the last few notes you played layer into a shimmer, and then that gives you the freedom to actually play new guitarlines over the top of it, or mess with the effect with other pedals (tremolo).
Anyway man, hope that helps with delay. Also, have any of you guys tried an Ebow? Don't just try an Ebow straight into your gat, play one through a dealy AND reverb pedal and your guitar will soar like you never imagined.
Here's stuff that you should look at:
Delay (whatever suits), tremolo (Boss TR), reverb (Electro Harmonix - Holy Grail/Line 6 - Verbzilla etc), flanger (that guitar aeroplane swoosh effect on the breakdown of We're No Here.. can't go wrong with that ugly purple Boss flanger), distortion (Big Muff Pi for the fuzz stuff, whatever else for the straight noise... Boss MetalZone, Danelectro or whatever suits), Overdrive (Boss OD series), pitch shifter (can't go wrong with Boss again)... and a good old Line Selector pedal which lets you have heaps of effects going at once and be able to simple shut them all off with one foot click. Imagine a song chorus where you are using several distortions, slight flange, overdrive, etc, and then you want to jump into a quiet part... usually you'd have to click off each pedal individually, or if you had all your pedals running in one channel of the Line Selector (A), then you second line (B) could switch over to a completely uneffected cleantone sound.
It starts to get pretty costly. I'd suggest at the very least a good delay and a hefty distortion. There's other stuff like ring modulators, guitar/bass synthisizer pedals and so forth.
Hope that helps a little.
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Post by James Smith on Apr 19, 2006 17:38:45 GMT 1
All of this is way helpful. I bought the Boss DD-6 about 6 months ago, I could have bought the DD-20 for only a couple of dollars more. Those pics of Mogwai's rack are incredible, especially because the settings are marked out on them (I have a hard time figuring out other's effect settings, I use effects quite a bit but figuring out what other people do is difficult for me). Does anyone have any delay or tremolo effect settings they have figured out?
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Post by iain egg on Apr 19, 2006 17:57:17 GMT 1
i use 80% feedback on the delay with a delay time of 500mS usually, don't generally use tremelo other than through cubase. i play through an alesis quadra verb reverb unit generally using plate reverb, a dan electro fabtone, boss O/D and then anything else i will use through a rack setting in cubase. glad you like my photos!!! was stuart's i think...
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Post by rageman on Apr 20, 2006 15:45:56 GMT 1
he also uses a VOX v847 wah and Snarling Dog Whine-o-wah
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Post by James Smith on Apr 21, 2006 2:30:30 GMT 1
On which songs does he use a wah pedal?
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Post by rageman on Apr 21, 2006 2:59:48 GMT 1
On which songs does he use a wah pedal? they mostly use them during noisy/loud parts. especially at their concerts.
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Post by James Smith on May 6, 2006 19:23:19 GMT 1
Does anyone know what gauge of strings the members play with? I also noticed Stuart didn't have his Fender Bassman combo in SLC, he had a Twin and a Marshal head, has this been his set up for a while now?
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Post by quotemyghost on May 11, 2006 15:58:36 GMT 1
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Post by rockactionrecords on May 11, 2006 21:28:46 GMT 1
I don't know how many times you kids need told. We never use flangers. That's a wah wah on We're No Here. I don't know why this annoys me so much. Barry
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Post by cmx on May 11, 2006 23:27:35 GMT 1
hehe:)
i still wonder what that screaming sound is during ex-cowboy, i really like it
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Post by dansoderburg on May 12, 2006 22:49:13 GMT 1
i believe it's a screaming cowboy midget
they're very rare
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Post by cmx on May 14, 2006 12:23:15 GMT 1
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Post by ratts on May 20, 2006 2:55:23 GMT 1
I was curious what Marshall amps were used. I noticed almost all of the amps, heads etc., were Marshall and one Fender (Reverb Twin?) amp. Is the Telecaster with 3 pickups, an American made model? I am not sure which one it is. I noticed a Gibson SG is used for a couple of songs, too.
I like Telecasters. Do any of the guys ever use Fender Jazzmasters?
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Post by iain egg on May 20, 2006 11:52:49 GMT 1
FENDER TELECASTER PLUS ELECTRIC GUITAR SEYMOUR DUNCAN PICKUP IN MIDDLE POSITION
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Post by ratts on May 20, 2006 18:26:47 GMT 1
I'm confused now. I know that the Tele Plus is listed on the 'guitar geek' site and that Stuart often used that guitar. But, at the Toronto show, it looked like a 3 pickup Tele and if there was a HB, it would be a stacked one (at the bridge)? Even in the "boston gig" thread, the pic with the tele looks like it's a 3 coil single pickup tele. I don't know the American Tele model name with those configurations but I think a similar one is the Nashville Tele (MIM)?
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Post by James Smith on May 20, 2006 19:23:07 GMT 1
There were a couple of American made Tele Plus guitars put out in the 90's that are no longer made. It is my understanding the more common Plus included a HB (Jonny Greenwood of Radiohead has this type of Plus) but there was also a three single coil model like the Nashville. This is the model Stuart has. Somewhere along the way he replaced the middle pickup with a Seymour Duncan pickup (they have a bunch of replacement pickups for Tele's. See www.seymourduncan.com/products/teles.shtml) If you look hard enough on some of the early Mogwai pics and vids you will notice the original pickup was there at least into early 98.
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Post by youngman on May 21, 2006 20:34:27 GMT 1
that guitar geek rig is totally wrong and outdated by now...
Stuart's guitar is NOT a Telecaster Plus, its a standard USA model from the late 80's/early 90's? which came with two pickups, and he added the middle pickup himself. I believe its a Seymour Duncan of some sort. Also, he never uses a Bassman combo, its been the Fender Twin/Marshall set for the last few years. Not sure the exact Marshall model, I think its a JCM900, but I've seen different looking Marshall's on stage throughout the years, possibly rentals?
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Post by ratts on May 22, 2006 22:33:48 GMT 1
There were a couple of American made Tele Plus guitars put out in the 90's that are no longer made. It is my understanding the more common Plus included a HB (Jonny Greenwood of Radiohead has this type of Plus) but there was also a three single coil model like the Nashville. This is the model Stuart has. Somewhere along the way he replaced the middle pickup with a Seymour Duncan pickup (they have a bunch of replacement pickups for Tele's. See www.seymourduncan.com/products/teles.shtml) If you look hard enough on some of the early Mogwai pics and vids you will notice the original pickup was there at least into early 98. Right you are, sir! Research has shown me there are Tele Pluses with that configuration (3 pickups etc.). Except, we have some dissent... that guitar geek rig is totally wrong and outdated by now... Stuart's guitar is NOT a Telecaster Plus, its a standard USA model from the late 80's/early 90's? which came with two pickups, and he added the middle pickup himself. I believe its a Seymour Duncan of some sort. Also, he never uses a Bassman combo, its been the Fender Twin/Marshall set for the last few years. Not sure the exact Marshall model, I think its a JCM900, but I've seen different looking Marshall's on stage throughout the years, possibly rentals? Standard USA Tele with a mod of a middle pickup?
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Post by youngman on May 23, 2006 0:53:54 GMT 1
that guitar geek rig is totally wrong and outdated by now... Stuart's guitar is NOT a Telecaster Plus, its a standard USA model from the late 80's/early 90's? which came with two pickups, and he added the middle pickup himself. I believe its a Seymour Duncan of some sort. Also, he never uses a Bassman combo, its been the Fender Twin/Marshall set for the last few years. Not sure the exact Marshall model, I think its a JCM900, but I've seen different looking Marshall's on stage throughout the years, possibly rentals? Standard USA Tele with a mod of a middle pickup? [/quote] Yes. If I remember correctly those tele pluses with 3 single coils all had binding as well. So yeah, I'm 100% sure its a Standard USA tele w/ aftermarket middle pickup. (I think he's had it for a long time)
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Post by James Smith on May 28, 2006 23:55:22 GMT 1
I, on the other hand, am not 100% sure it is a 3 coil Tele plus. Seems to me to be kind of a pain to have an after market 3rd coil put in a Telecaster (I probably just would have gone for the Strat instead). But the Tele does have a sound all of its own. Maybe it isn't that big of a project.
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Post by legalnonresident on May 30, 2006 17:25:48 GMT 1
He has had it for a while so i suppose there might be a slight chance that it is a factory setup. In the states, the only 3 coil tele currently sold is the nashville tele.. and its not a nashville tele.
But im pretty sure it is an aftermarket duncan pickup.. a friend of mine used to have the same pickups in a strat.
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Post by James Smith on Jun 9, 2006 20:37:24 GMT 1
Getting away from Stuart's guitar, I have a couple of questions about the pedals he has been using recently. On the pic that is shown on the first page of this thread (posted by iain egg, excellent pic by the way) there are a couple of pedals I am not familiar with. The first one, located next to the Danelectro fab tone, is labeled "RAK". The second, located between the DD-20 and the MXR comp, is black with some red stripes or something. Does anyone know what these pedals are?
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Post by legalnonresident on Jun 10, 2006 0:42:28 GMT 1
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Post by only on Jun 11, 2006 4:35:23 GMT 1
That pedal next to the DD-20 (on our right) looks like an Ibanez "Soundtank" design/make of pedal. Ibanez made tonnes of different effects pedals in that style...all black (I think) with various bright colour highlights on the text. That could narrow your search if you're really interested in finding out what it is.
I wonder what the pedal on the left of the Snarling Dog (the one with the footprint) is? Definitely a Boss, my guess is it's an MT-2 Metal Zone, but could be a HM Heavy Metal or possibly one of those Reverb/Delay combos? One of it's knobs is missing hehe
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Post by James Smith on Jun 11, 2006 5:08:38 GMT 1
That pedal next to the DD-20 (on our right) looks like an Ibanez "Soundtank" design/make of pedal. Ibanez made tonnes of different effects pedals in that style...all black (I think) with various bright colour highlights on the text. That could narrow your search if you're really interested in finding out what it is. I wonder what the pedal on the left of the Snarling Dog (the one with the footprint) is? Definitely a Boss, my guess is it's an MT-2 Metal Zone, but could be a HM Heavy Metal or possibly one of those Reverb/Delay combos? One of it's knobs is missing hehe I am pretty sure it is the Boss RV-5 reverb pedal with the tone knob missing. That black pedal nest to the DD20 is for sure an Ibanez Soundtank pedal, but it is tough to see which one. The red mark doesn't match up with what I have seen. Maybe it is a sticker of some sort.
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Post by jiffy on Jun 13, 2006 0:50:43 GMT 1
anyone have a stab at Barry's set up. Is what i can get
Boss Reverb rv ? Boss Delay (dd-6?) Boss Tuner Boss Eq Digitech Grunge Line 6 Delay
John: Boss Delay x 2 Boss Line Selector Boss Tr 2 Boss OD Boss Rv
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Post by klangfarbe on Jun 20, 2006 11:40:26 GMT 1
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