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Post by ratts on Jul 10, 2006 23:16:10 GMT 1
Anyone see it yet? I think the guy lacks class. I don't care what the reasoning for the headbutt was, it was a cheapshot. I'm no football fan (I like hockey) but that was stupid and cost him a chance to win the game with a kick.
Zidane is no stranger to fouls and incidents that get him kicked out of games. I read that his coach was even considering benching him if that's to be believed.
I even dislike players on my favourite teams who have commited such acts. Heck, there's a player who was recently released by my favourite hockey team and he's infamous for an elbow to an opposing player's head. It probably cost them the series and they were winning it at the time (ultimately, they lost it). I hated the player ever since even if other fans were still supportive. If you have a beef with an opposing player, if you're going to be physical, use your fists and challenge the guy. If he won't fight, use other means. I don't know why that guy is admired. There's a lot of gifted, skilled football players out there. Ronaldo, for one.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. I just never would have though Zidane would lose his cool like that. I think competitions like the World Cup is bad for increasing nationalism and regardless of what is said, athletes have to take the high ground.
EDIT: I've recently reconsidered my position and I've modified it somewhat. I tried to think of how it would be if you were him and playing a huge championship match and an opposing player insulted you personally by saying something hurtful about a family member. However, I still think you have to be the better person and ignore it. Also, there are all these various allegations based on lip-reader for crying out loud. No one knows what was said except for ZZ and the Italian player. Nevertheless, there is no excuse for the violent reaction really. That's all.
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Post by willard on Jul 11, 2006 9:01:19 GMT 1
i would propose that everone has a breaking point, in regards to reacting with violence...
in the heat of the moment, all you need is for someone to say the right (or wrong) thing...
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Post by Marc on Jul 11, 2006 10:07:58 GMT 1
According to The Guardian, Zidane has been insulted all game long by Materazzi till the incident :
Zidane, showing his sleeve : "stop pulling my shirt" Materazzi answers : "shut up bugger, you only receive what you deserve" Zidane answers : "yes.... right..." Zidane ignores him and starts to run away Materazzi says "you deserve all that, you fucking muslims, dirty terrorists"
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It's a very very high provocation, think about Zidane at the end of the World Cup and at the end of his career, now imagine yourself at the same moment with the same pressure, imagine you have been insulted for 1 hour by a racist and then you hear the supreme insult, you're not cracking up ? you stay zen ?
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Post by Marc on Jul 11, 2006 10:09:45 GMT 1
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Post by ratts on Jul 11, 2006 15:37:03 GMT 1
Okay, but, if it is some no-name football player who does it, do you think the same?
Does it matter if Materazzi is a dirty player or not. If he commits fouls, it's the refs' job to catch them and rule accordingly. Furthermore, in sports, it's not uncommon to trash talk and try to psychologically affect your opponent. It was the World Cup, the last game and not just that as everyone knew, his last game.
As for the Italian player's rep, he could be the dirtiest player on the field, that still doesn't nullify anything. Zidane is not totally innocent himself as he's been redcarded for a previous headbutt and stomping on a player.
I don't think it's about how dirty the other player is or what he said. He probably is a dirty player and knew how to push Zidane's buttons with personal (if not racist, I don't know if it was said or not) insults. But, I think the best athletes will turn their heads at such crap for the team. mthuilli, yeah, I think you stay 'zen.' There's a time and place for retribution if you really want it. By giving in, in every way, you lose.
I'm not going into the numerous allegations of what was said because only those two know. Everything else is speculation but Zidane hinted he's going to reveal his version later.
Btw, I wanted France to win.
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Post by noise is a friend on Jul 11, 2006 20:22:11 GMT 1
The BBC got a deaf person to lip-read what Materazzi said, then had the phonetics translated. It is alleged that the words were: "you are the son of a terrorist whore".
Materazzi won the mind-game, Zidane flipped, and deserved to be sent off. and yes, Materazzi should be punished if his racist comments can be proved.
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Post by Marc on Jul 12, 2006 8:34:43 GMT 1
Yep, different versions from different lip readers. Zidane will explain himself tonight 8pm on the Canal + french tv. I will try to write a sum-up tomorrow.
You know french are really divided between two feelings : he was right as Materazzi's role was to make him cracking up VS he was wrong whatever Materazzi said, he should not have done it, bad image for youth.
I'm also divided...
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Post by Chrille on Jul 12, 2006 19:48:46 GMT 1
Zidane makes apology for headbutt
Zinedine Zidane has apologised for the headbutt on Italy's Marco Materazzi which earned him a red card in Sunday's World Cup final penalty shoot-out loss.
But the France legend did not reveal what Materazzi said, only confirming that it was "very personal" and concerned his mother and his sister.
In a French TV interview, Zidane, 34, said: "I want to ask for forgiveness from all the children who watched that.
"There was no excuse for it. I want to be open and honest about it." But he refused to say sorry to Materazzi and said he did not regret what he did.
"You hear those things once and you try to walk away," said Zidane, who retired from football after the final in Berlin.
"That's what I wanted to do because I am retiring. You hear it a second time and then a third time...
"This was not something to do. I want to make it clear because it was watched by two billion people and by millions of kids.
"I want to apologise to them but I can't regret what I did because it would mean that he (Materazzi) was right to say what he said."
Zidane was sent off for headbutting Materazzi in the chest in the second period of extra-time in Sunday's final in Berlin.
Since the incident, rumours have run rife about what Materazzi said to provoke such a reaction from the Frenchman.
There were claims the Italian had called Zidane a "terrorist", but Materazzi denied he had made such a slur.
In Tuesday's edition of the Italian newspaper La Gazetta dello Sport, Materazzi said: "It was the kind of insult you will hear dozens of times and just slips out of the ground.
"I didn't call Zidane a terrorist and certainly didn't mention his mother."
Zidane, who was born and grew up in Marseille, is the son of Algerian immigrants and has suffered taunts about his heritage throughout his football career.
But Materazzi added: "I am ignorant, I don't even know what an Islamic terrorist is; my only terrorist is her," he said pointing to his 10-month-old daughter.
"I did not bring up Zidane's mother; for me a mother is sacred."
After Materazzi's insult, Zidane headbutted Materazzi's chest and was sent off, with Italy going on to win the match 5-3 on penalties.
"I held his shirt, for only a few seconds," said Materazzi, who had scored Italy's equaliser after Zidane put France ahead from the penalty spot.
"He turned towards me and scoffed at me, looking at me with super arrogance, up and down.
"He said 'if you really want my shirt, you can have it later.' It's true, I shot back with an insult."
Fifa is to investigate Zidane's sending-off while Fifa president Sepp Blatter has hinted the France star could be stripped of his World Cup best player award.
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Post by ratts on Jul 12, 2006 22:06:51 GMT 1
Zidane makes apology for headbutt Zinedine Zidane has apologised for the headbutt on Italy's Marco Materazzi which earned him a red card in Sunday's World Cup final penalty shoot-out loss. "I want to apologise to them but I can't regret what I did because it would mean that he (Materazzi) was right to say what he said." Fifa is to investigate Zidane's sending-off while Fifa president Sepp Blatter has hinted the France star could be stripped of his World Cup best player award. IMO, Zidane's thinking is flawed. Why would turning the other way be legitimizing what Materazzi said? It's too bad he just didn't concede he was wrong, regret it but add that Materazzi should really think about the kind of person he is or something to that effect. Also, I don't think Materazzi is fooling anyone insisting he doesn't know what 'terrorist' means. I don't think he should be stripped of his 'best player' honours whatsoever. The momentary loss of control and temper in one game should not take away appreciation of the overall performance, imho. Maybe my perspective is just weird or something. Someone help me...
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Post by fbi on Jul 26, 2006 9:44:42 GMT 1
My beef is that if Materazzi did say racist things, he should no better because for one thing, the world cup have been saying No to Racism but yet Materazzi still did. For insulting a dying mother is uncalled for either. I've lost my father and i still remember one of my neighbors saying "I hope ur father dies" weeks before my fathers passing. I am glad what zidane did because i would have done the same if i had a chance. I am Italian but lived in France when i was younger so this world cup was a dream to me because either way i win. However, for Materazzi to do that ruined it for me and millions of ppl.
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