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Post by tracy on Jun 11, 2007 11:12:39 GMT 1
HAs anyone esle watched this series?
Its a bit all over the place but enjoyable none the less I think.
The last episode was about Heavy Metal (but didn't feature Led Zepp strangely) and confirmed my feelings that Heavy Metal is mostly shite and a little bit gay.
Next weeks show is about Stadium Rock and features U2 and there comedy guitar hero 'Edge' ;D
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Post by rsignal on Jun 11, 2007 20:22:01 GMT 1
Seems like you'll get you Led Zep fix in the stadium rock episode. What was the with the complete lack of Slayer in the metal episode too?
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Post by noise is a friend on Jun 15, 2007 19:54:47 GMT 1
I've seen a couple of episodes of this series, and much like any other programme of its type, it can be judged on what it omits as well as who it covers. I was surprised, though, that the whole of episode one was devoted to Hendrix (not that he doesn't deserve such air-time). I'll probably avoid the U2 episode, purely out of principal. Messianic stormtroopers really aren't my thing! But it will certainly be interesting to see the show on "indie" - a hatefully corrupted term these days. We're bound to get plenty of Oasis (spit!) and Radiohead, but how much time will they give to the likes of Pixes and Sonic Youth.
Now if they let me do the programme.....!
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Post by rob strong on Jun 16, 2007 19:01:27 GMT 1
I was surprised, though, that the whole of episode one was devoted to Hendrix (not that he doesn't deserve such air-time). I'll probably avoid the U2 episode, purely out of principal. Messianic stormtroopers really aren't my thing! But it will certainly be interesting to see the show on "indie" - a hatefully corrupted term these days. We're bound to get plenty of Oasis (spit!) and Radiohead, but how much time will they give to the likes of Pixes and Sonic Youth. Hendrix is unreconstructed wank. And Jim Morrison. And Radiohead. I missed the first couple of shows, but last week was very entertaining and I'm looking forward to the stadium rock show tonight.
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Post by Chrille on Jun 17, 2007 11:51:14 GMT 1
i enjoyed the punk episode a lot.
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Post by tracy on Jun 17, 2007 14:19:08 GMT 1
i enjoyed the punk episode a lot. easily the best episode I thought, but easily the most interesting bands and subject matter too probably. Loved Johhny Rotten's comments on Patti Smith's 'Horses', "Horses? Horses? Horseshit!".
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Post by Chrille on Jun 18, 2007 16:44:53 GMT 1
i liked the public image ltd song that featured in the punk episode. so i've decided to buy "metal box" for a start. don't know about the other records though. are there any pil fans here?
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Post by noise is a friend on Jun 19, 2007 9:48:42 GMT 1
PiL are a tricky band to fully appreciate, I reckon. I like a lot of their albums, but then there's a fair amount of poor quality pop-rock in amongst the good stuff. "Metal Box" (later re-issued as "Second Edition") is a great album, and indicative of the experimental sound the group had at the beginning (John Lydon is a big fan of Krautrock bands like Can). I also like "The Flowers Of Romance", but doubt if that would be to everyone's taste here. "Album" (or "Compact Disc", or even "Cassette") is well-worth hearing, too. Other than those, the greatest hits set is as good a starting point as any. PiL had a knack of picking great songs for singles.
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Post by Chrille on Jun 19, 2007 15:49:27 GMT 1
cheers, i'll see if i can buy them cd because there's nothing on itunes (sweden).
edit: just checked and the lot must've been uploaded recently.
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Post by rob strong on Jun 25, 2007 7:21:37 GMT 1
Anyone see the Alternative Rock show from this series this weekend? A curiously narrow reading, focusing almost entirely on REM and Nirvana, with a side-dish of Black Flag and Pixies. I can understand using REM and Black Flag as starting points, but how they missed the Minutemen I'll never know. And what happened to Sonic Youth? Dinosaur Jr?
Implying that the whole thing imploded with Kurt's death is nonsense - most people I know who were listening to Nirvana in the early 90s had lost interest in the whole circus by the time he died, and moved on to Pavement (surely the biggest band of the internet era to be entirely lacking any web presence?)/Sebadoh/Guided By Voices/Drive Like Jehu etc. All those bands had far more in common with the US underground scene of the 80s than the Seattle scene ever did.
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Post by tracy on Jun 25, 2007 10:31:12 GMT 1
I missed this episode, I usually catch the repeat on Sundays but due to the beebs blanket Glastonbury coverage it wasn't on. Anyone know when it is being repeated?
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Post by Chrille on Jun 25, 2007 13:19:54 GMT 1
iggy pop wasn't even mentioned in the punk episode, i think.
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Post by noise is a friend on Jun 25, 2007 19:08:43 GMT 1
I was assuming it wouldn't be on this week because of Glastonbury. But it sounds like I didn't miss much. My earlier comment about omissions appears to hold water. Of course they were going to focus on Nirvana, and Kurt's death will always be hyped at every opportunity. It shouldn't be understated, though, that Nirvana's breakthrough hearlded a new outlook from the major labels. It's just a pity that it didn't last long, and that most of the bands pushed as "alternative" were absolute mutton. Did the programme mention Sonic Youth? It would have been a huge mis-calculation if it didn't. What about My Bloody Valentine, Joy Division/New Order, Cocteau Twins, Wire etc etc etc...?
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Post by rsignal on Jun 26, 2007 1:21:34 GMT 1
Sonic Youth had a bit of "Wonder" played at the beginning of the episode, and appeared briefly on a shot of a poster don't get me started on the complete lack of Minor Threar and/or Fugazi Better than watching Lily Allen on a loop on Glastonbury however.. Iggy Pop was fantastic though later that evening!
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Post by James G on Jun 29, 2007 22:55:35 GMT 1
It started off quite promisingly, before quickly turning into another re-hash of the Nirvana story. Oh well.
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Post by rob strong on Jul 1, 2007 7:42:55 GMT 1
British Indie last night then.
Choosing The Smiths as a starting point, all well and good. But how can anyone write the history of the Manchester scene and miss out Factory and New Order? It beggars belief, particularly as it was New Order's money that financed the Hacienda and Happy Mondays.
To add insult to injury - no mention of any city other than Manchester and London, they actually gave Echobelly airtime, and it appears that nothing happened between Oasis's shows at Knebworth and the appearance of The (half-arsed drug-addled Clash rehash) Libertines. To imply that The Libertines are the most important band of the last 10 years again beggars belief.
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Post by noise is a friend on Jul 2, 2007 16:21:35 GMT 1
I only saw the last 30-odd minutes of the last episode, so didn't get to see what was said about The Smiths. I agree that ignoring the "indie-dance" crossover was a huge mistake, even though I never cared for it myself. New Order haven't made a good LP for about 20 years, and Happy Mondays were never better than on "Bummed". It was obvious that Oasis and Blur would grab most of the limelight, and have to agree that this perpetual love affair with Mr Doherty is staggering.
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Post by rob strong on Jul 2, 2007 18:34:46 GMT 1
New Order haven't made a good LP for about 20 years, and Happy Mondays were never better than on "Bummed". New Order - 18 years (the wonderful 'Technique') Agreed on the Mondays, although there are some fine tracks on Squirrel & G Man too.
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Post by noise is a friend on Jul 2, 2007 20:59:09 GMT 1
I said "about 20" dang it - good guess though. ;D
& "Squirrel..." is let down by naff production
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Post by benrowe on Jul 2, 2007 21:46:53 GMT 1
These programmes were always going to be, and could only ever be, a 'scratch the surface' affair. The Britpop one was probably closest to my heart and they missed out a raft of key moments (Jarvis Cocker at the Brits?) and bands (I would have elbowed in Verve, but then that's me ). I had no problem with (guilty secret...ahem) Echobelly being on there, but had to do a double take when I saw them! I don't think they were mentioned by name, and only got shoe-horned in because of the track (Great Things) they used. One thing I do remember in the whole Oasis v Blur thing is that Blur got to number one on 2 points: a) they had two CDs out compared to Oasis' one and b) wasn't there some bar code error when Roll With It came out? Possibly excuses. Both were shite singles anyways... So, will Mogwai feature on the next version of the programme in another 10 years? why weren't they on this series
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