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Post by brash on Jan 6, 2011 14:09:53 GMT 1
its not the most immediate of their records....still getting my head around san pedro/gstdp but will get there. overall some great songs and the production is lovely. werewolf is very close to 'yes! i am' but I still enjoy it.
just looking over the boxset details, no Music For A Forgotten Future on vinyl?
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Post by squeeryj on Jan 6, 2011 15:08:05 GMT 1
I am going to wait and buy this "record" from a "shop" and get the band paid for their work, and also this will allow me to listen to it in the format intended with the artwork in front of me, and keep the excellent record shop by me in business.
I'm nuts me.
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Post by noise is a friend on Jan 6, 2011 15:16:34 GMT 1
just looking over the boxset details, no Music For A Forgotten Future on vinyl? It's probably a bit too long to fit on one side of vinyl.
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Post by brash on Jan 6, 2011 16:14:54 GMT 1
isnt it like 20minutes? sure mfmk is on vinyl....at 33rpm you can get over 30minutes.
shame they could have have a nice one sided 12" with an etching
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Post by angiogram on Jan 6, 2011 17:43:55 GMT 1
Typically you can really only push about 22 mins max per side of vinyl with a full frequency source. More bass frequencies = less time. So, I imagine Mogwai's music would typically limit them to below that threshold.
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Post by noise is a friend on Jan 6, 2011 18:29:40 GMT 1
I think the track is nearer 25 minutes, which is a bit of a push to get on one side of an LP. The Cure's "Disintegration" LP was at least 25 minutes per side, but the sound level was mastered to be quite low, which meant you had to turn the volume way up.
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Post by rob strong on Jan 6, 2011 18:44:38 GMT 1
I am going to wait and buy this "record" from a "shop" and get the band paid for their work, and also this will allow me to listen to it in the format intended with the artwork in front of me, and keep the excellent record shop by me in business. I'm nuts me. Get this man to a psychiatric hospital PRONTO.
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Post by rob strong on Jan 6, 2011 21:36:35 GMT 1
just looking over the boxset details, no Music For A Forgotten Future on vinyl? It's probably a bit too long to fit on one side of vinyl. The initial press release has it as 26mins long, which is too long, as noted. A 26min new track.....yum.....I wonder if it has the making of a live epic? Or maybe it won't even make the live show.
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Post by alanmacdaddy on Jan 6, 2011 23:42:58 GMT 1
San Pedro is a total tune. Puts a massive smile on my dial.
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Post by taz on Jan 11, 2011 17:28:12 GMT 1
"worse than that, at least it's acceptable to have a few pints and jump around to 'live forever'. try that to a mogwai banger and you get shushed by some chin-stroking beardy dyslexic c**t."" Wanker. Totally. I certainly never stroke my chin! How dare he paint all Mogwai fans with the same brush. Well I'm not going to listen to it until I get it in February. Clicking on each track on YouTube seems like an unnatural way to listen to an album. Come on guys.. listening to an album for the first time is like getting to know a girl/boy you really like. You need the whole person in front of you, the whole package. Listening to leaks is like stalking their facebook profile and thinking you really know them. That's a space age analogy for ya'll. But really.. there needs to be more lovin' involved.
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Post by arachnid on Jan 11, 2011 20:34:05 GMT 1
Sorry folks but I couldn't wait till feb to listen to it. Downloaded the leaked copy today. I don't feel so bad cos there's a lovely boxset arriving at my house in february
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Post by pk on Jan 11, 2011 20:49:41 GMT 1
I have listened to the entire album all the way through probably at least 10 times. I admit some of the tracks have grown on my some, but I stand by most of my prior comments. I have given Mexican Grand Prix multiple chances, but I don't like it, and I don't think I ever will. All of the other songs are 'solid', I even like GSTDP. I can say I enjoy all the tracks but one, but I reiterate that there are not the 2 or 3 epic tracks like every other album has had. Young Team had MFS, Like Herod, Katrien. CODY had Christmas Steps, Ex-Cowboy, Happiness. Rock Action had 2 Rights, You don't know Jesus. Happy Songs had Ratts of the Capital, Hunted by a Freak, I know you are. Mr. Beast had Auto Rock, We're no Here, Travel is Dangerous. The Hawk had Scotland's Shame, I love you. This album has..... ? Some solid songs but nothing GREAT.
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Post by qwertyas on Jan 13, 2011 11:49:47 GMT 1
I'm pretty torn too. I personally LOVED The Hawk is Howling, and maybe that's why I find this album jarring -- Hawk had mostly slow burn and melancholy songs (I love every song BUT The Sun Smells Too Loud) and this seems to be almost the exact opposite of that. That being said... it took me some time to really 'feel' Hawk, so I'm going to give this the same respect. White Noise and Rano Pano already rock my jocks, and most the others are growing on me with every other listen. But that being said - I don't think I can come around to Mexican Grand Prix or GSTDP.
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Post by only on Jan 14, 2011 1:20:05 GMT 1
Initial impression: Shock. WTF. Martin has been ejected in favour of Ableton drum replacement. Guitars are buried under a mountain of bold keyboard layers. BEHOLD, THE BARRY BURNS EXPERIENCE After things sunk in: This is overall a far stronger collection of music than Hawk. Liking it more and more with each listen. The new approach is daring, inspired and the band should be commended for pushing forward - though some of the electro-80s-rock moments grate a little on the "like, omg, so cool right now" cringe-reflex. White Noise - Whoever said "sounds like an instrumental Keane" is absolutely spot-on. Despite that rather embarrasingly accurate comparison - It's a fantastic song and a great opener. The melody just blooms like a lush thing (especially from 2:22 onwards... wow, nice work Barry). Drums may or may not contain Martin. MGP - Mogwai goes electro Casio-core for the kiddies! Would be very surprised if Martin features on this song unless he's hitting trigger pads as the drums are utterly synthetic. Not quite sure what to make of this - will it date quickly? Has it dated already? Will get some dance action at shows. Rano Pano - Rad. Melody is awesome. Slightly Celtic almost. Neat distortion on the keys. Death Rays - Very Mr Beastish. Meanders along and then takes a turn for the better at 3:30, breaking down into something truly, truly incredible. PS oh hello Martin, there you are, sir! San Pedro - Fucking ace blistering rock song. This should be first single, not Mexi. Metro - Zidane B-sider. Vintage Mogwai sounding, ie: moody and shit. The slide guitar sounds so lush. Thatcher - Not sure what to make of this yet. Nothing that tugs the heart-strings like only Mogwai can. There's a total emotional disconnect with this music. It sounds cool but means nothing. Perhaps one of the pitfalls of half the band not living in the same country? and giving Barry too much creative license? )))) Werewolf - It does share a similar A-major key type riff with Long Way From Home. This is a lovely track. Dominic completely owns this song. Raging - Thinking "hmmm could this be the only truly filler song on the album? but something happens at 2:15, that something meaning HOLY SHIT THIS IS INCREDIBLE. Love the big sprawling Jaga Jazzist crashy bits, keys sound like freakin horns! Lionel - Mogwai's take on Earth's 'The Bees Made Honey in the Lion's Skull' - absolutely fantastic song and defintiely the most epic feeling one of the album. Listen at 4:00 and tell me that doesn't sound like Earth!!! The tremolo'd guitars are yum and the way song drops from major to minor keys is colourful and interesting (pure creative brilliance). Martin and Dom lay down a really tight backing for some crushing guitar and key layers. OK, it's not quite up there in the heady heights with You Don't Know Jesus, Ratts, My Father, Satan, etc but it's better than anything off Hawk, if not Mr Beast aswell.
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Post by pk on Jan 14, 2011 1:32:59 GMT 1
OK, it's not quite up there in the heady heights with You Don't Know Jesus, Ratts, My Father, Satan, etc but it's better than anything off Hawk, if not Mr Beast aswell. No way!!! I think you are smoking some serious dope with that statement. Lionel Richie is a very nice track but let's not get carried away with ourselves. I love, I'm going to blow up your school and Scotland's shame are two of Mogwai's all-time best, and they blow Lionel Richie away. So let's get that out of the way right off the bat. The Precipice and Jim Morrison are in a tight run with it, but I agree it is definitely better than all the other Hawk tracks. As for Mr. Beast, I will take Auto Rock and We're No Here over Lionel Richie. If I were to rank all the tracks from Hawk, Beast, and include Lionel Richie it would probably fall somewhere around 8 on my list. This is subject to change, of course.
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Post by karlschneider on Jan 16, 2011 2:12:39 GMT 1
I guess I'm the first in the US to wonder about this and post? I see that there is a SubPop Pre-order for the U.S. but it seems it's just simply a 2xLP version. No special goodies for us spoiled-arse Americans? Any update for the US? The shipping costs almost as much as the limited edition album. Will subpop be offering the limited edition?
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Post by karlschneider on Jan 16, 2011 2:59:16 GMT 1
For comparison purposes of limited edition vinyl box sets: Young Team: 12 pounds Special Moves: $7 Hardcore: 23 or 22 pounds (non-guaranteed shipping doesn't help)
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Post by rob strong on Feb 3, 2011 9:25:38 GMT 1
Initial impressions on first listen:
Slight Domestic - 6 mins. piano-led, couple of nice snarling louder sections
Singing Mountain - 23mins. starts off with piano and some background atmospherics, joined pretty quickly by a swell of strings. guitars meld in gradually. no drums until 15mins in, gone by 19mins. last few minutes are a droning outro.
Both very enjoyable and looking forward to further plays. I can't see either of these being played live.
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Post by sim72 on Feb 4, 2011 0:54:36 GMT 1
Dunno - I don't see any reason why "Slight Domestic" couldn't be played - nice growly sections but on the other hand is it worth chucking something else out of the setlist for it? Probably not
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Post by injektilo on Feb 4, 2011 5:24:50 GMT 1
Initial impressions on first listen: Slight Domestic - 6 mins. piano-led, couple of nice snarling louder sections Singing Mountain - 23mins. starts off with piano and some background atmospherics, joined pretty quickly by a swell of strings. guitars meld in gradually. no drums until 15mins in, gone by 19mins. last few minutes are a droning outro. Both very enjoyable and looking forward to further plays. I can't see either of these being played live. Can't wait to hear the Singing Mountain.....I bet it sounds tru;y epic, what film was it soundtracked for again.....
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Post by injektilo on Feb 4, 2011 5:35:15 GMT 1
I've listened to this album twice at a perfect volume, the production quality is absolutely top notch. On its own Mexican GP may sound a little off tangent compared to previous releases, but it sounds fantastic as an album track, there's a great buildup towards the end, you'll really have to suspend all previous stereotypes regarding how a Mogwai track "should sound" and just appreciate the song for what it is...I bet this will sound ace when played live...
San Pedro on the other hand is AWESOME but does anyone think it resembles a weird tune from the 80s....like this :
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Post by bobbob on Feb 4, 2011 6:26:21 GMT 1
I do find the production to be hit and miss - some tracks like Death Rays are just perfectly produced for my tastes, others like San Pedro seem insanely compressed and tinny....
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Post by rob strong on Feb 4, 2011 9:30:16 GMT 1
Dunno - I don't see any reason why "Slight Domestic" couldn't be played - nice growly sections but on the other hand is it worth chucking something else out of the setlist for it? Probably not On further listens, you're right, it could appear live at some point. I hadn't realised how closely the string and piano melodies twined round each other though, it'd need someone like Luke Sutherland around to play that song live.
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Post by injektilo on Feb 6, 2011 13:51:07 GMT 1
I do find the production to be hit and miss - some tracks like Death Rays are just perfectly produced for my tastes, others like San Pedro seem insanely compressed and tinny.... Aye...but San Pedro gets progessively heavier as it goes on....by the end its giving Rano Pano the 2 finger salute
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Post by einzack on Feb 7, 2011 8:23:41 GMT 1
so stuart plays bass on lionel ritchie....
any mention of that in the liner notes?
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Post by noise is a friend on Feb 7, 2011 9:40:45 GMT 1
any mention of that in the liner notes? There are never enough liner notes, if you ask me!!
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Post by klaher on Feb 9, 2011 12:42:32 GMT 1
Does anybody know when CDs ordered direct from mogwai.co.uk are being sent out? Hoping to get hold of the album before the Dublin gig next Tuesday!
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Post by blindsummit on Feb 10, 2011 20:16:41 GMT 1
Got my deluxe CD through from the Mogwai store today, excellent. None of the waiting and waiting with Special Moves/Burning. Great package, got to love that cover shot. Only listened through once and it's blinding, really something special. Not had chance to listen to the Singing Mountain yet. I'll post a proper review on my blog when I get round to it, off to see Duke Spirit in Leeds tonight so it will have to be the weekend. Bring on the Leeds gig in a couple of weeks. andrewbyrom.blogspot.com/
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Post by rob strong on Feb 10, 2011 21:04:21 GMT 1
From Piccadilly Records:
"The limited edition box set version is also due but might not be with us until Monday or Tuesday due to production problems."
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Post by benrowe on Feb 11, 2011 13:55:12 GMT 1
from the Sub Pop Mogwai email list! ----- Dear Mogwai fans, An advance listen of Mogwai’s Hardcore Will Never Die, But You Will is happening now over at RollingStone.com! Today through release day, February 15th, the album will be streaming in its entirety. www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/hardcore-will-never-die-but-you-will-20110208Another way to stream the album now is to pre-order it through subpop.com because each completed order gives you instant access to stream the new record in its entirety. Hardcore Will Never Die, But You Will will be available on a deluxe 2xCD (the bonus disc comes with an epic 23 minute song), or gatefold 2xLP (LPs will come with a digital download code). Photos of the impressive packaging are available here. www.subpop.com/releases/mogwai/full_lengths/hardcore_will_never_die_but_you_willAnd rounding out the good news, there’s also a brand new Mogwai video in town - we don’t want you to miss it! Follow this link to view the “Mexican Grand Prix” video that premiered online today. There’s still more coming up from Mogwai. Videos. Tour dates. We’ll keep you posted. In the meantime be sure and check out Mogwai’s site and their artist page on subpop.com for anything you might’ve missed. www.subpop.com/artists/mogwaiwww.mogwai.co.uk/Hardcore Will Never Die, But You Will February 15th 2011 Love, Sub Pop’s Mogwai Email Group If you have any questions or feedback at all for us, we’re Sub Pop and we’re Mogwai’s label, please get in touch through our appropriately titled email feedback@subpop.com ---------- apologies for the rough linkage
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